This is a follow-up dialogue to the earlier series of posts on a sensitive subject. I have put additional comments, that didn’t appear in the actual dialogue, in [brackets].
Dear MR,
Thank you for your energy.
MR. I suppose I do have an agenda. My agenda is the furtherance of the consciousness of unity in, through, and as all of creation.
I support your agenda.
When adults have sex with children, when people are being raped, starved, enslaved, I am not evolved enough to say that it is a good thing.
Neither am I, nor did I say I thought such behavior was “good.” I did say it was a choice made for reasons meaningful to the people involved. And, if we are willing to see it as an act of spirits for the purposes of their own enlightenment, we might approach the subject with more balance. This does not mean that observers simply do nothing. If your spirit urges you to act, then you ought to. This also doesn’t mean that I would do nothing if faced with such a situation.
I can say that it is God expressing but that does not mean I condone the activity. I am not attached to my opinions but I do have them.
I agree with you. It’s not what I consider a desirable example to follow.
MR. What I have I do not believe can be classified as a judgment. It is more of a concern, something I ponder. My concern is for the people involved; what it is what it takes for that industry to survive.
To me it sounds as though you are not at peace within yourself about this subject, or with the people who engage in it, or (those who) appear to be “soft” on it. Nothing wrong with that. That is what often spurs us to bring about beneficial change.
MR: Child abuse, drug addiction, crime, the casual disregard for human life and human dignity, these are the offspring of this industry. It reminds me of the Tobacco companies standing before the nation proclaiming that nicotine is not addictive all the while needing to recruit younger and younger smokers in order to stay solvent. There are some very young girls out there.
And yes that bothers me when I see a thirteen or twelve year old girl selling her body. I am deeply concerned about this.
I honor and respect your concern. This is but one example. We can cite countless more all over the world. If you eradicated the selling sexual favors for money, would you then move to eradicate selling body parts? Would you move to end spousal abuse, gay bashing, or the use of pesticides, artificial dyes, and synthetic hormones in the preparation of our foods? Is any one of these more harmful than any other? (Would eradicating these behaviors “save the world”?)
By the time a child begins selling her body for money, you can bet that this form of behavior had been patterned (and condoned) by adults around them long before… even generations before. In fact, you can pretty much bet that the pattern is still going on. Before you (or I) even know about an individual case, its “history” is already in the making. By saying that it is divine expression I’m not suggesting that you (or I) do nothing. However, it’s what we do that makes a difference. The difference in what we do rests in how we choose to be.
[If we lose our own balance when faced with disturbing situations, we don’t connect with the power within US that can make a difference… the power of joy and compassion, the power of hope and healing energy. It’s always present and available. Only when we connect with our Higher Self / Spirit / God, will others who feel powerless have a chance to experience it. They can then choose whether to embrace and call upon the full power of their own indwelling Spirit.]
MR There is nothing indecent about sex. Rape is not about sex. It is about exploitation, dominance and rage. Having sex with a child is rape. By child I mean someone not aware of the consequences of their actions. The same can be said of having sex with someone of diminished mental capacity or below the legal age iimit. Once again I am not discussing sex so I will not answer any more comments on the subject of sex.
I agree with you. So be it.
MR. Once again, I am not opposed to pornography per se, I simply have some difficulty separating the act from the reality of how most people get into the business. Most women don’t dream of one day growing up to be a prostitute or porn queen. It is the result of a severly damaged self worth. Linda Lovelace of the famed film, “Deep Throat” said, “Every time someone saw that movie they were witnesswing her being raped.
Regarding women getting into the porn business due to “severely damaged self-worth,” in some cases, yes. I hear no concern about the men. I can’t speak to what’s going on for most people who do it. I only know that some seem to genuinely enjoy their work while others do not, and it’s not divided along gender lines.
There can be a blessing in all experiences if we are willing to see them, even if they don’t appear evident to us in the moment. That is why it has been helpful for me to appreciate the connection that all have with Spirit. Each is the creator of their experience; whether they know it or not. However, if one begins understanding his own pre-existing hand in the formation of his experience, he may begin taking an active role in changing the course of his life. I cannot change another person’s attitude toward me [or toward their Self]. I can adjust my attitude toward others, and toward my Self. If my attitude is respectful and loving, I have a better chance of touching a closed heart than if my heart is closed to the possibility of positive change.
MR. I do not see myself as a judge, that is how you are experiencing me not how I see myself. I believe having sex with children is rape pure and simple. It is my belief. Of course that would make the people who do it rapist. I am not in judgment, this is merely my own observation/opinion. I also believe that rapist are expressing as much God as the people they rape even during the act itself.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with judging that such behavior is not for you. It’s certainly not for me, and never has been. At issue is can we see where the victim and perpetrator are drawn together by their own designs and purposes? And, if it is time for a change… if the timing is right for you or me to make a difference in the lives of one or both (victim or perpetrator), then the opportunity will present itself, for that will be a product of co-creation, on the part of the victim, perpetrator, and you (or me).
In fact, this very dialogue will help someone, somewhere, even though we may never have a face-to-face meeting with the people involved.
MR. I am not addressing the idea of choices made in another realm before our earth birth. I simply postulate the premise that sex with children is rape. If you disagree with this you are certainly welcome to your opinion. I am not attached to convincing you that I am right.
No convincing necessary. Forcible sex with any unwilling partner is rape, as far as I can tell. It creates trauma that can last a lifetime; trauma that I would love to see people who have them overcome. Can we take another’s trauma away from them? I think not. However, we can love them, and we can help them see the beautiful spirit that exists within them and encourage them to call upon it. We do so by calling upon our own, which happens when we, ourselves, are in balance. If we’re angry or feeling powerless about this or that, we’re not in balance. There will always be something to be angry or frustrated about. They become reasons to practice centering one’s self.
MR. If I make the agreement to be an abuser on some ethereal plane it does not make me less an abuser on this plane, it simply means that I am not a victim but an abuser by choice. The same can be said of the, “victims” of this world. The idea is to evolve our soul and unfortunately we are moved by pain until we are motivated by vision.
I believe we are moved by fear even when there is no pain, and vision will look very different when perceived through the lens of fear. The only thing I’ve suggested here, is to love… to choose to love, and be loving, for God is expressed in all behavior, on all sides of all issues. If we take a loving position within ourself, we’ll find the balance we need to access the wisdom that the Moment requires for someone else.
MR. This is not the reference with which I use this word. I noticed your use of it earlier and you also have used the word repercussions instead of consequence. I am simply quoting Newtonian Physics which says, “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”
Newtonian physics don’t explain the dynamics and movements of subatomic particles and quantum mechanics, which appear to operate under a totally different set of equally valid and operational “laws”. Yet, it would not be unreasonable to reinterpret Newton’s law to read: “for every action, there is an equal and complementary reaction.” What is the “Law of Attraction” about, if not about workings of vibrational complements? We think of the term “opposites” with respect to dissimilarity, disunity, and “un-like-ness”. I suggest that “opposites” are really wholes brought together by vibrational similarity and resonance to create even larger experiences. They “fulfill” each other.
MR. Balance quite literally means; 1. a state of equilibrium or euipoise. 2 an equal distribution of weight.
That’s exactly what I’ve been suggesting here in how these issues might be looked at. I’m not encouraging, endorsing, or even suggesting any kind of “pro-exploitation” position. By not judging it negatively and getting myself worked up over its “unfairness”, accepting that it is the work of creator-beings in veiled awareness, allows me a sense of balance to do what I can where I can, but to appreciate that the world isn’t going to hell in a hand basket if I do nothing. There is more going on than we will ever consciously know about, that could be equally disturbing, if not more so. We simply choose our issue because it is meaningful, in some way, to us.
MR. A coin has a head and a tail and so do most animals and yet we see them as one thing. We cannot spend the head side of the coin and keep the tail in our pocket. Our spirit is not some parasite that inhabits a host body but does nothing to help keep it alive. They are one even as the dollar bill declares “Epluribus Unum.” The body is not superfluous on this plane of existence and deserves equal weight, (read embrace) of love.
Again, I agree. I’m not sure what you read of what I said that would make you think otherwise. Most people look at the body that they can see, and ignore the spirit, which they cannot. It’s understandable, except when we start to realize that there are many things that our body needs even in the physical world that we can’t see, such as oxygen. There are minerals it needs, such as magnesium; and we don’t even know when we’re not getting enough.
Everyone KNOWS when they’re not being loved, when they’re not being accepted for who they are. Everyone KNOWS what that feels like. It may or may not come with pain. My point here is honoring the spirit of love that is within all as the key to the changes that our hearts want to see.
MR: Walk in balance,
Indeed.
